Writing "First In Thirst" was a tremendous experience for me. It took me about a year -- six months worth of researching, three months worth of interviewing and three months worth of writing. In the process of trying to get to everyone, I left a couple people out. This happened because I either had trouble finding people or felt I had heard enough of the story from those involved. There was little excuse for me to not work harder to get Bill Smithburg, who was CEO of Quaker Oats at the time of the Gatorade acquisition from Stokely-Van Camp. I got in touch with Bill soon after the book came out and right after speaking to him felt this sick feeling in my stomach. I'm proud of my book, but I should have had Bill's personal experience in there. So I felt the next best thing was to at least offer some of his perspective on my blog.
Thankfully, Bill wasn't enraged enough to turn down my offer. First let me tell you a little bit about him. After receiving a bachelor's degree from DePaul and an MBA from Northwestern (my alma mater), Bill joined the Quaker Oats Company in 1966 as a brand manager. By 1976, he was executive vice president of the company's U.S. Grocery Products division, the largest division in the company. He was named to the company's board of directors in 1978 and was named president and chief operating officer the following year. In 1981, he became the company's CEO and he held that position until retiring in eight years ago.
Me: Bill, you obviously had a tremendous career. Where does the acquisition of Gatorade and working with the product fall on your list of career highlights?
Bill: It was absolutely the most exciting, interesting and fun period of my entire career. Gatorade was so great that after we acquired it, no one wanted to work on anything else. Everyone wants to be part of a great product that has such growth potential.
Me: When did you first hear about Gatorade?
Bill: I first heard about Gatorade sometime in the 70s. I've always been very active in sports and I used to play competitive handball, as well as tennis and skiing. But it was mostly tennis that gave me exposure to the product. On a hot summer day, I'd always have a bottle of Gatorade. It wasn't touted as a miracle product, but it worked to rehydrate me and reenergize me better than water or soda. And I wasn't full like I was when I drank the others. So I looked at the label and found out it was made by Stokely-Van Camp.
Me: Did that surprise you?
Bill: Well, I was watching the company and I was surprised how they never featured it. It was almost like Gatorade was their little stepchild. I always wanted to buy Gatorade and so when Stokely-Van Camp went up for sale, I thought we should bid on it.
Me: How attractive were their other assets?
Bill: I believed in Gatorade. I didn't care about the rest of the company. This was truly their jewel. They invented the category and none of the big guys were in it. It already had brand equity and Quaker Oats understood that.
Me: You obviously won the bidding war. Was there any drama?
Bill: Oh yeah. The investment bank was telling us it was worth between $74 and $75 per share. But I said, 'The hell with that, I want this product.' So we bid $77 a share. They told me that we'd be strongly criticized for overpaying. But I wanted to win. Well, it turns out that Mike Miles (who went on to be chairman and CEO of Phillip Morris) at Kraft wanted it too. The rule was that if two bidders were within a dollar of each other, there would be a re-bid. Well, we won it because Kraft put in a bid of something like $75.50 a share and we beat the dollar rule by 50 cents per share. Of course, the criticism was intially there. I remember one of the headlines was, "Market Doesn't Care Beans For Stokely."
Me: But things seemed to work out.
Bill: We officially took over in the summer of 1983 and August 1983 was one of the hottest months in the history of the planet and Gatorade just took off. We avoided keeping it as a narrow superjock product and we solidified our deals with all the major sports leagues. We didn't have to pay individual athletes to be in Gatorade commercials because our sponsorships with the leagues provided those commercials in a natural setting. Why would we need a commercial with Walter Payton or Larry Bird if those guys would be shown drinking our product during a game? From 1984-1991, we never used a sports star in our ads.
Me: For that entire time, Quaker Oats got a great bang for their buck on "Gatorade is Thirst Aid, For That Deep Down Body Thirst!"
Bill: What a great campaign that was. It was just the perfect advertising line that encompassed the positioning of the brand. We didn't say, 'Drink this and score a touchdown.' But what we did say is, this really quenches your thirst and we demonstrated the physiological benefit.
Me: Stokely-Van Camp only had two flavors for their entire history -- Lemon-Lime and Orange -- what was the flavor strategy?
Bill: Well, we definitely wanted to diversify and fruit punch came in the year we acquired the brand. The funny thing is, we had these long debates in our first year whether or not we should get rid of lemon-lime. Some people thought it didn't taste good enough. Well, even today, I believe it's Gatorade's best selling flavor.
Me: How did Gatorade's growth compare to other products in the Quaker Oats portfolio?
Bill: We could easily forecast sales for Captain Crunch or oatmeal, that wasn't the case with Gatorade because it was growing so quickly. We were having double digit growth every year, as opposed to the consumer packaged business. In that world, if you can grow three percent in sales volume every year, you are doing really well. Gatorade was growing by more than 10 percent every year from the day we bought it.
Me: Were you surprised that the Coke and Pepsi weren't getting into the sports drink business throughout the 80s?
Bill: We didn't want to wake up a sleeping giant. We were always watching what their response was to Gatorade's growth, but it's amazing that we had it for about 10 years before they got into Mountain Dew Sport (later All Sport) and POWERade. Then, when it hit (in 1992), we were most worried about POWERade. Coca-Cola was the 800-pound gorilla because they had such a tremendous distribution system. All Sport, with the carbonation, was just never a legitimate product.
Me: In business schools across the country, you see case study after case study about Gatorade, but plenty of them are about how Quaker Oats tried to turn Snapple into a Gatorade (here's one of those papers: mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pdf/2002-1-0041.pdf). What's the real story?
Bill: When we bought Snapple (for $1.7 billion in 1994), we bought it on a downslope. We knew it wasn't going to die and we felt we could turn it around fast. We were wrong. The down slope was steeper than we thought and it took longer to turn around. We thought that we would stabilize things in Year One and that really happened in Year Two. A lot of the criticisms concerning what we did with Snapple are not accurate (Snapple was sold to Triarc in 1997 for $300 million). I will say that we did do a couple things right and one of them was refusing to milk the marketing budgets of Gatorade or oatmeal to make the short term better for Snapple. We definitely took our lumps on Snapple, but if you look at Gatorade when we had Snapple that business never missed a beat.
Me: Gatorade sales outside the United States are not particularly impressive. Why do you think that is?
Bill: We didn't do much outside the United States. And the international strategy was not our strategy. In Italy, they were going after super athlete endorsers, which narrowed the focus of the drink to athletes.
Me: What do you think about Gatorade putting its Endurance Formula (a niche product) into mass retail channels?
Bill: Well, the supermarkets will take anything from a strong franchise, but Gatorade has to be careful not to overdo line extensions. (Gatorade president) Chuck (Maniscalco) is a darn good marketing guy and he'll make sure to keep an eye on it.
Me: If there's one product that you think Gatorade should have but doesn't, what is it?
Bill: I'd like to see them to a power gel of sorts. We had one, but that sort of product does better when it is developed by entrepreneurs, not necessarily big companies. I think doing a gel could be enormously profitable.
I'd like to thank Bill once again for his time and hopefully he will check back in with us every once in a while.